Read the post before this first, as this relates to the one called 'first i posted this"
Kat said:
Do you know that my hardcore Christian students don't believe that there is an environment problem? You know why? Because if we destroy the Earth and bring on an Apocalypse then that will bring about the Second coming of Christ. In fact, they don't believe in recyling, conservationalism, or anything that would preserve the Earth.To do so wouldn't be Christian.I'm hoping that only the really f*cked up evangelical Christians feel that way and that this mindset doesn't apply to more mainstream Judeo-Christian followers.
I said:
mfp feels part of his Christian walk is in protecting God's Earth. mfp told me in the summer of the set of Christians who wish to hasten the Apocalypse. i think they're wrong, about it all, i think they have the wrong idea.i think if they end up in heaven in front of god, god will say "What the FUCK have you done to my green Earth?!"At the workshop today was a woman from
http://www.kairoscanada.org/ who say "An ecological perspective concerns the Earth itself as an integral part of God’s wondrous Creation."
Kat said:
I was watching a special about that movie, Jesus Camp. It made me cry to watch children the age of DQ and Bats saying that they are being trained to be "soldiers of Christ" and that they would be willing to sacrifice their lives for Jesus.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2455343&page=1This sort of shit scares me.
I said:
Just viewed the link. That is scary.Haven't seen the film. I know a lot of American evangelical movement is damn scary. To me, there is no spirituality in that.The church we go to is really open, accepting, caring. The focus is just on love really. The Pastor would be ill at kids worshipping to Bush - that's actually out and out sinful as it makes Bush an idol. - but he'd also be appalled and sick at the manipulation involved I am sure. I wonder if the video is at Rogers.The leaders at the church in that news spot would slay me as a heathen I think.
and then I said:
We had communion at church today. I really like going to this church. I was dressed all in black, but so was the pastor. Actually, he was all spiffed up. Hmmmm...Anyway. He talked about the coming of Christ and the Bible does say to hasten the coming of Christ. But it talks about god's patience and how god is waiting until all our souls are safe so he doesn't need to cut anyone down but we'll all partake of whatever great party is planned for the end days.So to hasten the end is to keep your soul safe, pure, to have faith in god and to not do wrong which must also mean not harming the earth. These radicals may end the world, may kill the earth, but that doesn't mean god will come. He'd probably wait till more primordial slime grew in our wreckage and patiently help it to form into something once again resembling god, waiting for life on earth to reflect god's glory.I mean, he does have forever to wait for us to get our shit together. (masculine being used only for ease of writing)