the ensuing comments
Read the post before this first, as this relates to the one called 'first i posted this"
Kat said:
Do you know that my hardcore Christian students don't believe that there is an environment problem? You know why? Because if we destroy the Earth and bring on an Apocalypse then that will bring about the Second coming of Christ. In fact, they don't believe in recyling, conservationalism, or anything that would preserve the Earth.To do so wouldn't be Christian.I'm hoping that only the really f*cked up evangelical Christians feel that way and that this mindset doesn't apply to more mainstream Judeo-Christian followers.
I said:
mfp feels part of his Christian walk is in protecting God's Earth. mfp told me in the summer of the set of Christians who wish to hasten the Apocalypse. i think they're wrong, about it all, i think they have the wrong idea.i think if they end up in heaven in front of god, god will say "What the FUCK have you done to my green Earth?!"At the workshop today was a woman from http://www.kairoscanada.org/ who say "An ecological perspective concerns the Earth itself as an integral part of God’s wondrous Creation."
Kat said:
I was watching a special about that movie, Jesus Camp. It made me cry to watch children the age of DQ and Bats saying that they are being trained to be "soldiers of Christ" and that they would be willing to sacrifice their lives for Jesus. http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2455343&page=1This sort of shit scares me.
I said:
Just viewed the link. That is scary.Haven't seen the film. I know a lot of American evangelical movement is damn scary. To me, there is no spirituality in that.The church we go to is really open, accepting, caring. The focus is just on love really. The Pastor would be ill at kids worshipping to Bush - that's actually out and out sinful as it makes Bush an idol. - but he'd also be appalled and sick at the manipulation involved I am sure. I wonder if the video is at Rogers.The leaders at the church in that news spot would slay me as a heathen I think.
and then I said:
We had communion at church today. I really like going to this church. I was dressed all in black, but so was the pastor. Actually, he was all spiffed up. Hmmmm...Anyway. He talked about the coming of Christ and the Bible does say to hasten the coming of Christ. But it talks about god's patience and how god is waiting until all our souls are safe so he doesn't need to cut anyone down but we'll all partake of whatever great party is planned for the end days.So to hasten the end is to keep your soul safe, pure, to have faith in god and to not do wrong which must also mean not harming the earth. These radicals may end the world, may kill the earth, but that doesn't mean god will come. He'd probably wait till more primordial slime grew in our wreckage and patiently help it to form into something once again resembling god, waiting for life on earth to reflect god's glory.I mean, he does have forever to wait for us to get our shit together. (masculine being used only for ease of writing)
Kat said:
Do you know that my hardcore Christian students don't believe that there is an environment problem? You know why? Because if we destroy the Earth and bring on an Apocalypse then that will bring about the Second coming of Christ. In fact, they don't believe in recyling, conservationalism, or anything that would preserve the Earth.To do so wouldn't be Christian.I'm hoping that only the really f*cked up evangelical Christians feel that way and that this mindset doesn't apply to more mainstream Judeo-Christian followers.
I said:
mfp feels part of his Christian walk is in protecting God's Earth. mfp told me in the summer of the set of Christians who wish to hasten the Apocalypse. i think they're wrong, about it all, i think they have the wrong idea.i think if they end up in heaven in front of god, god will say "What the FUCK have you done to my green Earth?!"At the workshop today was a woman from http://www.kairoscanada.org/ who say "An ecological perspective concerns the Earth itself as an integral part of God’s wondrous Creation."
Kat said:
I was watching a special about that movie, Jesus Camp. It made me cry to watch children the age of DQ and Bats saying that they are being trained to be "soldiers of Christ" and that they would be willing to sacrifice their lives for Jesus. http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2455343&page=1This sort of shit scares me.
I said:
Just viewed the link. That is scary.Haven't seen the film. I know a lot of American evangelical movement is damn scary. To me, there is no spirituality in that.The church we go to is really open, accepting, caring. The focus is just on love really. The Pastor would be ill at kids worshipping to Bush - that's actually out and out sinful as it makes Bush an idol. - but he'd also be appalled and sick at the manipulation involved I am sure. I wonder if the video is at Rogers.The leaders at the church in that news spot would slay me as a heathen I think.
and then I said:
We had communion at church today. I really like going to this church. I was dressed all in black, but so was the pastor. Actually, he was all spiffed up. Hmmmm...Anyway. He talked about the coming of Christ and the Bible does say to hasten the coming of Christ. But it talks about god's patience and how god is waiting until all our souls are safe so he doesn't need to cut anyone down but we'll all partake of whatever great party is planned for the end days.So to hasten the end is to keep your soul safe, pure, to have faith in god and to not do wrong which must also mean not harming the earth. These radicals may end the world, may kill the earth, but that doesn't mean god will come. He'd probably wait till more primordial slime grew in our wreckage and patiently help it to form into something once again resembling god, waiting for life on earth to reflect god's glory.I mean, he does have forever to wait for us to get our shit together. (masculine being used only for ease of writing)
posted by Katrina Urquhart at 1:06 p.m.
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then i chimed in:
sorry i missed it, but i went to my mum's church in st. catharines and it was amazing.
some christians forget that the central verb of the new testament is 'to love.'
'This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life. God didn't go to all the trouble of sending his Son merely to point an accusing finger, telling the world how bad it was. He came to help, to put the world right again.' John 3:16 (The Message)
'Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your passion and prayer and intelligence.' This is the most important, the first on any list. But there is a second to set alongside it: 'Love others as well as you love yourself.' These two commands are pegs; everything in God's Law and the Prophets hangs from them."' Matthew 22:37-40 Message)
to not love god's gift of creation is wrong; is sin. the fundamentalists have it all backwards. they may in fact be prolonging the second coming. if we are to love, then we must hasten the end of this world by loving, not hating. the world we must end is the world of fear and hatred and torture and deprivation and we can only do that with the power of love and acceptance and courage and healing.
i belileve that to be a christian, to follow christ, is to put down your swords and put down your nets and be real with one another, with god's creation, with god.
(hee hee. cross-posting is such fun)
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